{"id":581,"date":"2008-11-28T16:59:38","date_gmt":"2008-11-29T00:59:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lianza.org\/blog\/?p=581"},"modified":"2008-11-28T16:59:38","modified_gmt":"2008-11-29T00:59:38","slug":"on-voting-for-change","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lianza.org\/blog\/2008\/11\/28\/on-voting-for-change\/","title":{"rendered":"On voting for change."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In every election I <strike>throw my vote away<\/strike> vote for change by voting for the person who most closely resembles my political ideology, which has thus far always been the Libertarian candidate.  It doesn&#8217;t much matter that I&#8217;m not helping influence the decision between the two major\/viable candidates, because they are always so much the same.  This year I&#8217;ve been especially amazed by the degree to which people have played up the &#8220;change&#8221; that&#8217;s coming to Washington.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a great story, but I don&#8217;t believe it holds up to scrutiny.  At least, this is what I know:<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>On <strong>gay marriage<\/strong>:<br \/>\nBoth <a href=\"http:\/\/lesbianlife.about.com\/od\/lesbianactivism\/p\/BarackObama.htm\">Barack Obama<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hyperorg.com\/blogger\/2008\/05\/22\/mccain-and-ellen-on-gay-marriage\/\">John McCain<\/a> share the view that lesbian\/gay couples should <strong>not<\/strong> be allowed to call themselves married.  Neither of them voted for the Federal Marriage Ammendment (so either would have been a &#8220;change&#8221; from Bush&#8217;s stance at least slightly) but neither of the candidates supports gay marriage.  They all (Bush <a href=\"http:\/\/www.msnbc.msn.com\/id\/6338458\/\" title=\"Bush's gay union stance irks conservatives\">included<\/a>) support civil unions.<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>warrentless wiretapping<\/strong>:<br \/>\n The Bush administration rightly took a ton of criticism for this.  Obama initially came out and said &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html\">no more<\/a>&#8221; if you elect him.  6 months later he went on to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/world\/2008\/jun\/23\/barackobama.uselections20081\">support a wiretapping bill<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>the war<\/strong>:<br \/>\nThis was the big issue &#8211; the one where Obama and Bush\/McCain were supposed to be drastically different.  McCain had once said that he&#8217;s okay with having troops there <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Politics\/Vote2008\/story?id=4556230\">100 years<\/a> from now and took a lot of flak for that, including some <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs\">pretty funny YouTube videos<\/a>.  In context, he wasn&#8217;t talking about a 100 year war, but about having troops stationed there as they are in other countries.  He went on to claim that the war <a href=\"http:\/\/voices.washingtonpost.com\/the-trail\/2008\/05\/15\/mccain_outlines_troop_withdraw.html\">could be won by 2013<\/a>.  Hiliary Clinton had quoted a similar target <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2007\/POLITICS\/09\/27\/dems.debate.ap\/\" title=\"Top Democratic candidates won't vow full Iraq pullout by 2013\">during the debates<\/a>.  Obama said that we will have most troops out of Iraq <a href=\"http:\/\/thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com\/2008\/07\/03\/obama-open-to-refine-iraq-withdrawal-timeline\/?hp\">within 16 months<\/a> and McCain went on to agree that 16 months was <a href=\"http:\/\/firstread.msnbc.msn.com\/archive\/2008\/07\/25\/1225053.aspx\">a &#8220;good timetable.&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now Obama has chosen Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State.  Clinton, of course, was who Obama had argued was too pro-War to defeat McCain in a general election.  There&#8217;s some speculation now that Obama is going to keep Bush&#8217;s defense secretary Robert Gates.  Talk of the &#8220;16 month&#8221; timeline is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.chicagotribune.com\/news\/chi-iraq-troops_madhani_07nov07,0,1270759.story\" title=\"Will Obama stick to the timetable?\">already being replaced<\/a> with phrases like &#8220;sensible withdrawal.&#8221;  Looking over that, you have to ask&#8230; what&#8217;s the big change?<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>immigration<\/strong>:<br \/>\nSpend more money on walls, fine illegal immigrants, and give them a path to citizenship.  The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.barackobama.com\/issues\/immigration\/\">Obama<\/a> immigration plan and the Bush-backed and McCain-<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Secure_America_and_Orderly_Immigration_Act\">influenced<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007\">Immigration Reform Act<\/a> (which didn&#8217;t pass) aren&#8217;t fundamentally different.  I don&#8217;t see where the change is here.  Obama talks about how we need a lot of immigration changes, but so did Bush&#8230; and they talk about wanting to change the same things.  To the disappointment of the Republican base, and seemingly ignored by the Democrats, both Bush and McCain are proponents of so-called &#8220;amnesty&#8221; to illegal immigrants, and favor a path to citizenship.  A traditionally liberal position.<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>the bailout<\/strong>:<br \/>\nBush supported it.  McCain voted for it.  Obama voted for it.  And even though they flew to the congressional hearing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2008\/US\/11\/19\/autos.ceo.jets\/index.html\">in private jets<\/a>, you can bet the automakers are going to be able to squeeze bailout money out of congress, regardless of who&#8217;s president.<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>drilling<\/strong>:<br \/>\nThe &#8220;drill baby drill&#8221; chant was heard at the Republican National Convention.  Early in the campaign, Obama was staunchly opposed to opening up more offshore areas to drilling.  As time passed, he and McCain came closer and closer together, and Obama was <a href=\"http:\/\/politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com\/2008\/08\/01\/obama-shifts-on-oil-drilling\/\">ok with drilling offshore<\/a>.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2008\/POLITICS\/08\/05\/energy.plans\/index.html\">Both candidates<\/a> opposed drilling in ANWR, supported tapping into strategic reserves to lower prices, supported using nuclear power as part of their plans, support &#8220;clean coal&#8221;, and supported legislation to cap carbon emissions.  Their energy plans differ on details, no doubt, but the big difference is&#8230; where?<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>dumb vice presidents<\/strong>:<br \/>\nIt took Palin <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/apps\/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aYY9hiQdr5E4&#038;refer=home\">5 colleges<\/a> before she graduating.  Biden finished <a href=\"http:\/\/query.nytimes.com\/gst\/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D91F3CF931A1575AC0A961948260\">76th out of a class of 85<\/a> including a plagiarism incident.  Both parties this year offered us vice presidential candidates without a lot of academic success.  I suppose it&#8217;s better than the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.usatoday.com\/news\/opinion\/columnist\/benedetto\/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm\" title=\"Who is smarter, Kerry or Bush?\">Bush-Kerry<\/a> decision 4 years ago.<\/p>\n<p>On <strong>gun rights<\/strong>:<br \/>\nOf all of the Repbulicans who had run for president, I don&#8217;t know who the NRA would have disliked more than McCain.  During the primaries, gun rights where one area where he was shelled by the likes of <a href=\"http:\/\/huckabee.wordpress.com\/2008\/01\/24\/john-mccain-vs-gun-rights-and-second-amendment\/\">Mike Huckabee<\/a>.  Both Obama and McCain took a moderate-to-liberal stance on gun control.<\/p>\n<p>So, are the candidates different?  Of course.  Pick an issue and you can dig up some differences.  Health care is a fairly major one, although people seem to forget about <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act\">Bush&#8217;s Prescription Drug bill<\/a>, which was obviously a large spending effort in favor of government-sponsored medicine (something traditionally supported by Democrats).  Bush also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2006\/12\/20\/AR2006122001784.html\">raised the minimum wage<\/a> much to the chagrin of fiscal conservatives.  The differences, while present, are in my opinion far overstated.  Given the down economy, I&#8217;ll be curious to see if, in fact, Obama does anything about the Bush tax cuts aside from letting them run out on their own timetable (Bush had made them temporary).  It&#8217;s another big issue on paper which, in practice, may not materialize.<\/p>\n<p>The next year could be interesting, but I think what will be most surprising to people isn&#8217;t how much things change, but how little.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In every election I throw my vote away vote for change by voting for the person who most closely resembles my political ideology, which has thus far always been the Libertarian candidate. 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